Items deleted without notification?!
Rainer Muenz
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Hi there,


I am not 100 % sure, but it seems there are items deleted from MOWD without notification of the owners of these items. I am quite sure that I had 1329 items yesterday, and now I have only 1328. But I have no idea which item has been deleted, and why. How should I handle my collection with the help of MOWD, when items disappear without a warning? You can easily imagine that I can't go through to 1300+ items to find out which one is missing, and how I should add it again... well, if this happens more often, than MOWD is not really useful to administrate a large collection. Any ideas?


Best regards, Rainer


Hmmm... I counted the items that I recently added once again, and now I am not sure. Perhaps I am wrong. Are owners always notified when an item they have is deleted?

14 Agosto 2013, 23:37:13
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Hello!


 


I think the system only lets you delete items you create, if you are not administrator. But if the person who created the item removes it the system does not send any message to the owners.

Administrators have access to the list of changes made to MOWD and articles that have been deleted from holder being your last few days are these:




 

I hope you can see the links and not only administrators can see.

If the webmaster put you as administrator of MOWD, you would have access to this information. I think we all agree that Rainer has every reason to have that status.

 

Regards, and sorry for my english.


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I'm afraid you can not see the items without being administrator.


I copy and paste the information from the two articles: 


Tubular Bells (50018)


Tubular Bells 

Virgin/emi Odeon 

LP 

Argentina 

50018 

1978 

DXL13260B60008 

grey label with red stripe 


Year of publication is unknown



vinylfan



 

 


 


Boxed (29009440)


Boxed 

Virgin 

LP 

Germany, West Germany 

29009440 

1983 



4LP green-red labels + Booklet 


 



Atane




 


 I'm thinking I can put them back on the list, but maybe we should ask who deleted them why he did it.


 

Normally not usually delete items in the MOWD, of the 37,374 registered records kept, only 358 are deleted.

 Regards, and sorry for my english. Again 


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15 Agosto 2013, 0:00:01
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Hello, and thank you for your explanation and help, zaradeth.


I have received an email from the system that Boxed was deleted. Before, I was in touch with Atane. The catalogue number was wrong in this entry, and in the meantime there was a new entry with the correct number. So Atane deleted his entry, and I was automatically notified.


This notification did not happen with the Tubular Bells LP above. I have no idea why it has been deleted (and why I was not notified this time), and I will need to check if there is another entry existing for this item. But to be able to check, I need to know that an item is deleted, and I might buy it double someday (because I check MOWD before making a bid at Ebay since my vinyl collection is completely included now).


Thank you again, best regards,


Rainer


Concerning Tubular Bells from Argentina, this entry is also existing:


http://www.mike-oldfield.es/mowd/itemdetail.asp?id=2707


Same label, but the catalogue number is different. I think, there is a sticker on back cover with a new catalogue number. So in my opinion both versions exist, and I have the one with the catalogue number written in the deleted entry.

15 Agosto 2013, 10:26:40
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I also have this Argentinian Tubular Bells, with two stickers (EMI logo sticker) and new catalogue number (50018) covering the original 60008 cat number in the back cover. The vinyl remains 60008 and same matrix number as above.

 

Mensaje editado el 15/08/2013 13:47:51 por xaloc

15 Agosto 2013, 13:42:19
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 Administrators can change any field in an entry except the format (CD, 7 "...). If someone wants to change something is easier to tell him to an administrator or a chat in MOWD here created, not have to delete it and create a new one.


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15 Agosto 2013, 22:53:53
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I think, entry 3414 (if this is the TB LP and not Boxed, I can't check) should be restored. I don't see a reason why it is deleted.


Ah, OK, now I see it has been replaced by a new entry:


http://www.mike-oldfield.es/mowd/itemdetail.asp?id=4482


However, this one has also been added:


http://www.mike-oldfield.es/mowd/itemdetail.asp?id=4483


But in my opinion, it is the same as


http://www.mike-oldfield.es/mowd/itemdetail.asp?id=2707


So EMI 60008 grey label or cream label is double now.


And the years of release are wrong (1973).


 

15 Agosto 2013, 23:42:38
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--Yes I saw a dog.I said to him “how are you fee­ling?”--What did he say?--He said “Ruff Ruff Ruff”

Vinylfan... someone knows this user?


He usually creates many items that are incorrect or with incomplete info and this causes problems to the rest of users.


I have been looking the recorded changes of last days and he has created and changed many things.


I will try to review this new entries one by one... But I'm thinking in deleting everything I find that it's wrong or causes trouble. I've sent in him messages in the past, but I think that he doesn't read them...


 


 


16 Agosto 2013, 1:08:07
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Efectivamente, Javishadow, he estado introduciendo mis Tubular Bells LP vinilo, y me he encontrado que Vinylfan tiene muchos duplicados, etc,... también le he mandado mensajes aclarando algunos puntos...

16 Agosto 2013, 10:07:35
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En esta relación de TB coreanos, los cuatro que ha añadido él yo pienso que son repetidos de los ya introducidos, aunque ponga V2001, no es el número de catálogo koreano. ¿Los borro? ¿no existen Lp's coreanos con V2001, no?


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In this relationshipof TB Koreans, he added four I think are repeated from those already introduced, but put V2001, not the Korean catalog number. Do I delete? There is not Lp's Korean with V2001, no?


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16 Agosto 2013, 13:37:51
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Javishadow dijo:

Vinylfan... someone knows this user?



Spanish:


En la lista de usuarios de esta web aparece Vinylfan..... y es Frank Papsdorf, uno de los más importantes coleccionistas de Oldfield en el mundo. Y compatriota de Rainer. Ayyy, qué poco usáis las células grises (que diría Poirot).... 


 


English:


Rainer: Vinylfan is FRANK PAPSDORF. I´m sure you know him, so contact directly to him and explain these troubles....  


16 Agosto 2013, 16:16:22
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Thanks, Andaluz, I will tell Frank.


But now the other entry, http://www.mike-oldfield.es/mowd/itemdetail.asp?id=4482, has been deleted, too. I don't understand that, because the item exists. At least one entry should be active. In my opinion, it is more a cream than a grey label.


This one is also double:


http://www.mike-oldfield.es/mowd/itemdetail.asp?id=4584


The good entry is:


http://www.mike-oldfield.es/mowd/itemdetail.asp?id=2041


The only difference is that a matrix number has been added for item 4584. But I think, all or most copies of 2041 will have the same matrix number.

16 Agosto 2013, 22:25:01
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Rainer Muenz dijo:

But now the other entry, http://www.mike-oldfield.es/mowd/itemdetail.asp?id=4482, has been deleted, too. I don't understand that, because the item exists. At least one entry should be active. In my opinion, it is more a cream than a grey label.



 


I've restored it , dont know why he (was deleted by vinylfan) has deleted it.


 


Rainer Muenz dijo:

This one is also double:


http://www.mike-oldfield.es/mowd/itemdetail.asp?id=4584


The good entry is:


http://www.mike-oldfield.es/mowd/itemdetail.asp?id=2041


The only difference is that a matrix number has been added for item 4584. But I think, all or most copies of 2041 will have the same matrix number.



Solved, I've deleted "id=4584"


When MOWD was created we stated that if a matrix number implied a change (even if it was very little) in the labels or in the music of the vinyl it should be stated, but vinyls that are exactly the same with the only difference in the matrix number, we consider it the same vinyl.


 


By the way I've started to delete vinylfan's doubled items, and putting some I'm not sure as unconfirmed.


 


17 Agosto 2013, 0:43:22
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Thanks, Javishadow.


I fully agree to your explanation concerning matrix numbers. Otherwise the content would increase by the factor of 5 or even more without any additional value for the user. I have some more items in my collection not listed here (perhaps 5 or 10 additional Tubular Bells LPs), but the difference is only a matrix number or a printing quality that can only be seen if someone has both items. It doesn't make sense to list all of them as single entries.


There is, e.g., a reiusse of 2LP Impressions existing, which can be identified by the matrix number and by a different printing quality of the sleeve. I have added this variation as http://www.mike-oldfield.es/mowd/itemdetail.asp?id=4086 because the sound quality is much better. The other edition has a some background noise, and this reissue sounds really good.


So far, I haven't got a response from Frank, but I checked his collection here. It seems, that he made a new entry for almost all items he have, and in some (not all) cases he added a matrix number. I believe that he would like to manage his collection (he might have the largest MO LP collection worldwide, I am not sure) with all details. It seems, that he is a matrix number collector, or at least he takes much care about matrix numbers. This might be the reason for so many new and double entries. I hope he will read my Facebook message soon.

17 Agosto 2013, 10:46:46
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Just got an email:


Our system indicates the item Tubular Bells (EMI50018) that you set as owned, has been DELETED.


Why was it deleted again??? This does not make sense, it is existing.


19 Agosto 2013, 19:36:47
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--Yes I saw a dog.I said to him “how are you fee­ling?”--What did he say?--He said “Ruff Ruff Ruff”

Vinylfan has deleted it again today ...

 

I've restored it again,

 

 

 

Rainer Muenz dijo:

So far, I haven't got a response from Frank, but I checked his collection here. It seems, that he made a new entry for almost all items he have, and in some (not all) cases he added a matrix number. I believe that he would like to manage his collection (he might have the largest MO LP collection worldwide, I am not sure) with all details. It seems, that he is a matrix number collector, or at least he takes much care about matrix numbers. This might be the reason for so many new and double entries. I hope he will read my Facebook message soon.


 

Some items haven't the matrix number and they are clearly doubled, maybe he doesn't understand well how MOWD works.

Edit;

I've checked last changes, and vinylfan has deleted every item created by him.

Mensaje editado el 20/08/2013 0:52:36 por Javishadow


20 Agosto 2013, 0:44:01
Rainer Muenz
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Thank you for restoring again. You restored the item added by vinylfan - which is OK - however, the recently deleted item was the entry by bot-bell. No problem, one of the two should stay, doesn't matter which one (but bot-bell's entry had pictures).


In the meantime I talked to vinylfan and explained to him how it works. I think, he understood now and will think about how to go on (if he can use MOWD for archiving his collection or not).

20 Agosto 2013, 22:08:14
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From now Rainer is MOWD manager, you can now look at all the records that have been produced and modify entries if any of the information is wrong.



I think it's a step we had to take because the MOWD was created from the disappearance of their lists in the network.



Thanks to the webmaster and Rainer for being here.


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22 Agosto 2013, 13:37:21

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